Quote: (Originally Posted by
Drmike)
What a load of nonsense. Not a real dive?? and you say its a bounce dive as if that makes it easy/worthless.
Yup, simply a technical and organisation exercise- nothing more.
Going to 233mtrs laying line in a cave, staying for 2minutes then returning Would be a dive- it had purpose and accomplished something, going to wreck at that depth and doing nothing is not "diving" its a shotline inspection.
The PDF makes mention of "
the commemoration of the sacrifice, both civil and military, of those years." but no mention of laying a plaque or some such activity to validate going there. Quote: (Originally Posted by
Drmike)
You see dives like this as worthless because you are looking at it from only one narrow view (as a wreck dive) whereas the true accomplishments of such a dive is really more logistical, organizational and technical. ...snip... The main goal was to carry out research into deep (and as were talking scuba that means 'bounce') diving techniques. Seams to me thats exactly what they did.
I agree with the majority of that... but they started by claiming records, making out as if that where the purpose and finest achievment of this exercise... as you ably put- it was not, the logistics are phenomenal and impressive
I still fail to see the reason for the bounce- bounce it to claim a record depth yes, to do a dive- no, stay longer, go into saturation and use the bell for what it was designed then claim it was a dive- yes maybe but its not SCUBA.
Like NASA claiming they've done the furthest long weekend holiday when they went to the moon, yes they went away and came back with some snaps.... but it wasn't a Holiday.
Quote: (Originally Posted by
Drmike)
We don't have many data points or experiences for dives such as this and I agree the mention of records this or record that is not really important but to focus and to take that one small thing and use it to belittle the whole dive and accomplishments is a bit silly IMO
Yes I was being silly, sorry to all... but I stand by my comment that this massive exercise is not a diving record in the slightest and I find the attitude and claims as such to be insulting.
Quote: (Originally Posted by
Pim's Tekdiving PTD)
And regarding publicity: we need it! These kind of dives cost a lot of money. You can't do them without sponsors (at least I can't...). And sponsors want publicity...
Then don't dare claim records that you haven't broken- in my humble opinion you made the sponsers look silly by claiming non-existent records.
What you have essentially done is a commercial hard hat dive, as done on daily basis throughout the world, except you used some rebreathers for the bottom bit... otherwise it completely unrelated to SCUBA diving, rebreathers and jo-public.
We're sitting here thinking- "thats not really relavent to us, why did they bother?", some commercial outfit is probably thinking much the same- "233mtrs, thats no big deal, why did they bother?"
Great logistical exercise, fantastic organisation, evidentally well executed but for what benefit? A single bounce isn't going to meet the three challenges you set yourselves-
1- the documental aspect;
2- the scientific research in extreme dives;
3- the commemoration of the sacrifice, both
civil and military, of those years. You can't document anything in 2minutes, what research did you do and how is it relavent from a single dive, what did you do by way of commemoration? Lastly- not one of your goals was to set a record, why belittle the massive achievment with the trivial claim? At the end of the day, this is just my opinion, clearly many people are simply going to congratulate you, I'll add my congratulations as well, it clearly is a job well done.