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Drmike · 22nd April 2008, 02:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by UWSojourner)

Dear Eternal Optimist,

We share your interest in safety. Believe us when we say that each death on one of our products is both painful and costly. We share your interest in customers having a very positive experience in the industry we serve.

Our product numbers are not really a trade secret. Anyone is free to gather information about the numbers of RBs in use. However, when we know that any such information released will simply be cut in half (because?), we wonder what particular purpose it serves. In fact, another company associated with the rebreather market represents that their estimates of numbers in use are "within 10%" of the correct figures. We question whether, in that environment, it makes sense to do anything. Don't you already have accurate figures?

While we understand speculation is not desired, we have to say that it might be best to remain silent. The same company that believes they have accurate exposure data has already broadcast their intent to support plaintiff's attorneys in any lawsuits brought against us. While we understand an "eternal optimist" thinking that might be an environment where free exchange of ideas would be beneficial, please forgive us if we simply say we're unconvinced.

We do appreciate your interest. We also truly appreciate your diligence while diving our products as any death hurts all concerned -- the diver, the family, the manufacturer, and the industry.

With warm regards,

Manufacturers

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Sorry, just what I'd say if I were one of "them".

ahh so it was Alexs fault all along that mnf are reluctant to (and APD has long since had a policy agianst it) release sales data.

Glad thats cleared up

Its only APDs numbers that are the big question mark (most other units are given unit numbers) and they have historically chosen a policy of not releasing their sales figures since they 1st started - ergo that policy historically has got f_ck all to do with Alex.

I suspect keeping sales figures unclear has nothing to do with court cases and more to do with commercial competition. Market size data for emerging markets is valuable.

Not taking sides - just pointing out that fact

As an aside, isnt it so much more fun when we have an 'enemy' we can all gang up against - reminds me of the machinations of the school bullies and 'cool kids' at school

I note on the APD list Chasey is now right up there with Alex as the devil re encarnate

I heard from a friend of a friend that one or both of them may be harboring weapons of mass destruction too .........

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Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,303	Re: Calling all CCR manufacturers! Quote: (Originally Posted by UWSojourner) Dear Eternal Optimist, We share your interest in safety. Believe us when we say that each death on one of our products is both painful and costly. We share your interest in customers having a very positive experience in the industry we serve. Our product numbers are not really a trade secret. Anyone is free to gather information about the numbers of RBs in use. However, when we know that any such information released will simply be cut in half (because?), we wonder what particular purpose it serves. In fact, another company associated with the rebreather market represents that their estimates of numbers in use are "within 10%" of the correct figures. We question whether, in that environment, it makes sense to do anything. Don't you already have accurate figures? While we understand speculation is not desired, we have to say that it might be best to remain silent. The same company that believes they have accurate exposure data has already broadcast their intent to support plaintiff's attorneys in any lawsuits brought against us. While we understand an "eternal optimist" thinking that might be an environment where free exchange of ideas would be beneficial, please forgive us if we simply say we're unconvinced. We do appreciate your interest. We also truly appreciate your diligence while diving our products as any death hurts all concerned -- the diver, the family, the manufacturer, and the industry. With warm regards, Manufacturers ------------ Sorry, just what I'd say if I were one of "them". ahh so it was Alexs fault all along that mnf are reluctant to (and APD has long since had a policy agianst it) release sales data. Glad thats cleared up Its only APDs numbers that are the big question mark (most other units are given unit numbers) and they have historically chosen a policy of not releasing their sales figures since they 1st started - ergo that policy historically has got f_ck all to do with Alex. I suspect keeping sales figures unclear has nothing to do with court cases and more to do with commercial competition. Market size data for emerging markets is valuable. Not taking sides - just pointing out that fact As an aside, isnt it so much more fun when we have an 'enemy' we can all gang up against - reminds me of the machinations of the school bullies and 'cool kids' at school I note on the APD list Chasey is now right up there with Alex as the devil re encarnate I heard from a friend of a friend that one or both of them may be harboring weapons of mass destruction too ......... __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 22nd April 2008 at 03:04.
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