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jkaterenchuk · 21st January 2008, 18:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

You are "allowed" to do anything you like: We're not dealing with law here.

Courses TRAIN YOU to do a certain thing in accordance with some published curriculum. They don't "allow you" to do anything.

On a beach dive, you are "allowed" to do anything you choose to do, unless the Fish-Cops demand you show a dive flag from your float (try that for a 190 foot beach dive.. off of Castle Hill here.. ever tow a float in 190 feet of water? Fish-Cops insist it's "The LAW")

On a boat dive you are allowed to do *anything* the Captain choses to let you do. As for this Captain, I'd be far less likely to allow you to dive air to 50 meters in 2 meter visibility on a wreck no matter what your C-Card says, than I would be to allow you to dive that same depth using normoxic trimix no matter what C-Card you carry. One is safer than the other, so which one has a better chance of bring the diver back to the deck safely? That, after all, is the *goal*, isn't it? Yes, I would encourage a diver to seek proper training. Its the definition of "Proper" that's the key here. Don't die, OK?

Dave

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Dave

Thanks for your concern for my safety.

I think you are reading too much into my words. I was simply quoting the ANDI course standards. I have narcosis issues diving in the quarry past 30M with low vis and cold water. Would not even think about it as a possibility off your ship in those conditions.

What really would be useful would be to see a healthy discussion on Rebreather World regarding what is a clear definition of "Proper" training. That might show how, why and the relative value that each instructor and their experience brings to a course beyond the written standards and procedures.

With your extensive experience I would be highly interested in your perspective. Care to start a seperate thread?

John

21st January 2008, 18:16	#39 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 827	Re: Normoxic Trimix in Mod 1??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) You are "allowed" to do anything you like: We're not dealing with law here. Courses TRAIN YOU to do a certain thing in accordance with some published curriculum. They don't "allow you" to do anything. On a beach dive, you are "allowed" to do anything you choose to do, unless the Fish-Cops demand you show a dive flag from your float (try that for a 190 foot beach dive.. off of Castle Hill here.. ever tow a float in 190 feet of water? Fish-Cops insist it's "The LAW") On a boat dive you are allowed to do anything the Captain choses to let you do. As for this Captain, I'd be far less likely to allow you to dive air to 50 meters in 2 meter visibility on a wreck no matter what your C-Card says, than I would be to allow you to dive that same depth using normoxic trimix no matter what C-Card you carry. One is safer than the other, so which one has a better chance of bring the diver back to the deck safely? That, after all, is the goal, isn't it? Yes, I would encourage a diver to seek proper training. Its the definition of "Proper" that's the key here. Don't die, OK? Dave . Dave Thanks for your concern for my safety. I think you are reading too much into my words. I was simply quoting the ANDI course standards. I have narcosis issues diving in the quarry past 30M with low vis and cold water. Would not even think about it as a possibility off your ship in those conditions. What really would be useful would be to see a healthy discussion on Rebreather World regarding what is a clear definition of "Proper" training. That might show how, why and the relative value that each instructor and their experience brings to a course beyond the written standards and procedures. With your extensive experience I would be highly interested in your perspective. Care to start a seperate thread? John
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