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netmage · 21st November 2007, 01:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

DIR rule number one, dont dive with strokes and by definition, we are the biggest strokes of all.

Proper (non inflammatory) definition of 'stoke' is an unsafe diver. As to where to draw the line is up to individual personal preference as to what is 'unsafe'. Personally, there are a few critical aspects of the DIR philosophy I consider rule-breakers when 'buddying' up with someone; ascent/deco philosophy, sit awareness, gas selection, streamlining. In my opinion, none of this precludes CCR in and of itself. In fact I do quite a few dives w/ two Meg divers, and they've got me convinced to swing. CCR vs. OC is simply a tool selection. By far the more significant element of DIR rests between your ears; is your head on straight and are you compromising safety and reliability for cheap and complacency.

Without pigeonholeing and typing out an exhaustive list... items that I do 'rule one' someone over; deep air (heck, any air), streamlining, and the balanced rig. If we're doing the Hydro; helium is called for. In my neck of the woods, Nitrox is freely avaialble w/ zero to marginal increased cost, air is for tires...... And if someone shows up w/ ornaments hanging off like a christmas tree; I'm not going to feel safe doing a serious dive with them. They just don't have their shit together. If your severely over weighted, your not going to be able to control your bouyancy effectively.

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

I find that there is plenty of room on the average dive boat for a DIR diver, but not much room on their boat for us. and I guess that is my whole point in a nutshell.

Sorry to hear of your bad experiences. Like any 'movement', it has its 1%'ers that ruin it for everyone else. Some friends have had 'experiences' when trying to get service at some of the local 'temples' (EE and Brownies), at worst I think they got a sales pitch. And I've been on their boats, in fact during my helitrox class CCR's were present and the local GUE instructor was getting the lowdown on the unit.

Two weekends ago, I was on a local charter boat. And a bunch of FSU students were down for the weekend. One (who happens to also be a caver) looks at my buddies Meg's, and my rig, which also shouts caver (hog, long hose, etc) and he see's the Halcyon backpad and asks "So are you one of those DIR guys", to which I responded "well - what do you think that means?" and we had a reasonable conversation how when you look at alot of conventional cave philosophy - there arn't too many differences.

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netmage Tim Owens Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 707	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) DIR rule number one, dont dive with strokes and by definition, we are the biggest strokes of all. Proper (non inflammatory) definition of 'stoke' is an unsafe diver. As to where to draw the line is up to individual personal preference as to what is 'unsafe'. Personally, there are a few critical aspects of the DIR philosophy I consider rule-breakers when 'buddying' up with someone; ascent/deco philosophy, sit awareness, gas selection, streamlining. In my opinion, none of this precludes CCR in and of itself. In fact I do quite a few dives w/ two Meg divers, and they've got me convinced to swing. CCR vs. OC is simply a tool selection. By far the more significant element of DIR rests between your ears; is your head on straight and are you compromising safety and reliability for cheap and complacency. Without pigeonholeing and typing out an exhaustive list... items that I do 'rule one' someone over; deep air (heck, any air), streamlining, and the balanced rig. If we're doing the Hydro; helium is called for. In my neck of the woods, Nitrox is freely avaialble w/ zero to marginal increased cost, air is for tires...... And if someone shows up w/ ornaments hanging off like a christmas tree; I'm not going to feel safe doing a serious dive with them. They just don't have their shit together. If your severely over weighted, your not going to be able to control your bouyancy effectively. Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) I find that there is plenty of room on the average dive boat for a DIR diver, but not much room on their boat for us. and I guess that is my whole point in a nutshell. Sorry to hear of your bad experiences. Like any 'movement', it has its 1%'ers that ruin it for everyone else. Some friends have had 'experiences' when trying to get service at some of the local 'temples' (EE and Brownies), at worst I think they got a sales pitch. And I've been on their boats, in fact during my helitrox class CCR's were present and the local GUE instructor was getting the lowdown on the unit. Two weekends ago, I was on a local charter boat. And a bunch of FSU students were down for the weekend. One (who happens to also be a caver) looks at my buddies Meg's, and my rig, which also shouts caver (hog, long hose, etc) and he see's the Halcyon backpad and asks "So are you one of those DIR guys", to which I responded "well - what do you think that means?" and we had a reasonable conversation how when you look at alot of conventional cave philosophy - there arn't too many differences.
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