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Speakeasy · 17th November 2007, 15:55

Mark,

I think you make a good point that there is a very real business side to this whole dive industry and that as a business GUE/DIR ifolks have to make enough money to stay afloat. However, I would think that if this was a money issue we might see the price of the RB80 come down a little and maybe a return to the days of rb80 class 1 and 2 (being able to put more units on the market at a less expensive point of entry training wise.) I think there is a demand for a DIR CCR or mCCR I also think that market is a little more tight and they might find them selfs behind in the game. Where as with the RB80 they are the leader. Just my 2 cents.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

An excellent response from a DIR diver actually doing what DIR was designed to achieve.

The rabid anti CCR bulls#it we confuse with the term DIR is from wannabe divers regurgitating the sensationalist marketing hype of the now disenfranchised GI3. The people to whom the diving is all important will no doubt experiment with and adopt any technology that becomes available.

If i were to plan a 10 hour cave dive i reckon a modified RB80 would be right at the top of my list (Id have a PP02 display).

However there is another side of DIR/GUE and that is the commercial side. That side must surely realize that to survive they must adopt some form of CCR to enable their rank and file members to go diving in a cost effective manor.

Doing It Right is prohibitively expensive when it comes to deep or remote location diving. Logistics prevent the economic use of OC and SCR isnt much better.

There are divers to whom saving £2-3000 a year in gas and associated logistical costs means nothing over the pure safety advantage of SCR. It is likely Michael falls into this group. However there is a far larger group for whom this is a major consideration. They still have the passion for diving but they need to economize.

If GUE loose the market for these divers over to the other agencies and equipment providers then they will lose money and the kudos of any achievements made in this arena. They are beginning to realize that CCR is rapidly gaining market share and they are loosing top end divers over to the side of cost effective and logisticaly simple diving.

They cant ignore that on any realistic business plan.

Far better to acknowledge that yes CCR is dangerous but that 95% of all fatalities are due to diver error. Then build a systems and training package to eliminate the bulk of these issues and start a real DIR-R

Id be near the front of the que.

ATB

Mark

17th November 2007, 15:55	#27 (permalink)
Speakeasy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Western Washington State Posts: 4	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Mark, I think you make a good point that there is a very real business side to this whole dive industry and that as a business GUE/DIR ifolks have to make enough money to stay afloat. However, I would think that if this was a money issue we might see the price of the RB80 come down a little and maybe a return to the days of rb80 class 1 and 2 (being able to put more units on the market at a less expensive point of entry training wise.) I think there is a demand for a DIR CCR or mCCR I also think that market is a little more tight and they might find them selfs behind in the game. Where as with the RB80 they are the leader. Just my 2 cents. Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) An excellent response from a DIR diver actually doing what DIR was designed to achieve. The rabid anti CCR bulls#it we confuse with the term DIR is from wannabe divers regurgitating the sensationalist marketing hype of the now disenfranchised GI3. The people to whom the diving is all important will no doubt experiment with and adopt any technology that becomes available. If i were to plan a 10 hour cave dive i reckon a modified RB80 would be right at the top of my list (Id have a PP02 display). However there is another side of DIR/GUE and that is the commercial side. That side must surely realize that to survive they must adopt some form of CCR to enable their rank and file members to go diving in a cost effective manor. Doing It Right is prohibitively expensive when it comes to deep or remote location diving. Logistics prevent the economic use of OC and SCR isnt much better. There are divers to whom saving £2-3000 a year in gas and associated logistical costs means nothing over the pure safety advantage of SCR. It is likely Michael falls into this group. However there is a far larger group for whom this is a major consideration. They still have the passion for diving but they need to economize. If GUE loose the market for these divers over to the other agencies and equipment providers then they will lose money and the kudos of any achievements made in this arena. They are beginning to realize that CCR is rapidly gaining market share and they are loosing top end divers over to the side of cost effective and logisticaly simple diving. They cant ignore that on any realistic business plan. Far better to acknowledge that yes CCR is dangerous but that 95% of all fatalities are due to diver error. Then build a systems and training package to eliminate the bulk of these issues and start a real DIR-R Id be near the front of the que. ATB Mark
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