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Thus we can deduct that the Brits, the NJ divers and the South African Western Cape divers the best divers in the world, based on that analogy...
What analogy? There was no analogy, Show me the analogy. There was only the expression of opinion that such long exposures in cold water adds additional considerable risk to these deep dives - which it does. Nothing was said or inferred of divers skill level. Nobody (other than you) mentioned anything about 'best divers' Claiming a record is when you claim you did 'A'. In this case 'A' was 'deep cave dive in cold water'. They didn't claim 'deep cave dive in cold water by worlds best divers' - that came from your imagination.
Cold water was just given as a differentiator between their dive and others. They could have just as easily chosen a different differentiator such as the deepest cave dive with an spg stuck in ones ear (like your profile pic) 
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Our and their water is mostly low visibility, between 8'C and 15'C (very cold), strong, surgy. Open ocean dives. 45 min deco is 8'C water, with a torn drysuit seal and u will not make it either.....
No but theres a small chance you could survive blowing much of that 45min deco (bent to hell but at least on the surface where you can get medical help and alive) . If you try to head for surface from a 205m after doing 45mins of ascent you are 100% for sure one dead f_cker. Most likely you wouldn't even make it anywhere near the surface
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The guys do training at one of our local tech facilities (an old abandonned asbestos mine) where the water temp seldom reaches more than 15' C and even less at depth and the max depth is +/- 135m, and then should rate in the "top" divers in the world.?? (They can't go deeper because it isn't deeper.)
Possibly. But what does that have to do with this record claim?. They arent claiming 'deep cave dive in cold water by worlds best divers' remember, only 'deep cave dive in cold water'
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Personal friends have dived in a "mine dam/lake" called Samada, with <1m viz, (brown muddy water) to a depth of 80m (bottomed out) & 10'C on the surface ..
I have a friend who can suck his own dick (lucky sod
)...and your point is? I dont disagree that divers who dive in shit conditions arent going to likely have a higher skill level in some areas, (possibly mostly only in the area of in water comfort in those conditions) than those who only dive in blue crystal clear warm water and Im sure these guys would agree. But what has that got to do with these guys making the record claim of deepest cold water Rebreather cave dive? Theres no auto correlation between the 2. I dont see anywhere them saying they are the worlds best divers. I only see them claiming a record for doing the deepest cold water Rebreather cave dive.
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Where do we draw the line for claiming records, because due to those conditions that must be a world record of some kind (In fact.. it is regarded a local provincial record, just unofficial and quite unclaimable, because there are no such records or categories in which records can be claimed. It is however still the deepest ever dive in that province (quite a flat place...
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So how do we equate apples with apples....
why do you have to? Why compare a 205m cold water cave dive to a 50m warm water wreck dive?? Who cares - go diving!
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Any dive beyond 50m, or where a decompression ceiling is incurred, is a BIG dive, no matter where you are diving, and no matter what the "Alpha's" say..
I'm sorry but that's just not true. You need to think a little more about the outcome from the same problem on a 50m dive with less than few hours deco and a 205m dive with 5+hours of deco. Skip req. deco on a 50m dive and you will get badly bent possibly dead - skip it on a 205m dive and your 100% dead for sure. Its exponentially more dangerous the deeper you go.
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We all know the risks..Just as many divers have perished in open ocean deco diving than in caves, records or not..
comment serves to illustrate exactly the point your trying not to make. Far less people dive caves yet death rate is same ergo cave diving is more dangerous (which again is bleeding obvious) and so what? what's that got to do with the fact these guys did a 205m dive in cold water. They did it. that's what they did and that's what they have claimed as a record - why? - because it is a record (assuming the claim is true) - again so what? you think they should not make a claim that's true? you think its nothing to be proud of? ok fine you don't have to be impressed, you don't have to care - personally I am impressed and I do care because I know how Id feel facing the same dive in that temp water compared to warm waterQuote:
I just think the list of records are becoming a bit rudiculous....
was it the deepest cold water cave dive? if it was then it IS a record - so bloody what - who gives a toss. Who is it hurting.Record claims have been around since man could write - you think its a new thing? only happens in diving?
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It's is an encyclopedia that has to be read, 1000 diferent conditions...
There are so many these days that nobody even knows actually, who has done what.
who cares? who is it hurting?
Its not as if these guys were the 1st ones to make record claims in this or any other human venture
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Isn't that doing exactly what must not be done to a record, by taking the prestige out of it? One off these days we won't be able to claim a record, because it won't be worth the paperwork.
hahaha what prestige? What paperwork? its not some religious order you know! Whose honor are you upholding? why take any of this so seriously?
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All things being equal, and trip sponsorships by the way side, if U want to claim a record, go to the best conditions possible, do it as long as possible for a deep as possible.
Nothing is equal and you cant just wave aside sponsorship - unless you want to sponsor? As for going to the best conditions - will you pay? Do people have the luxury to always choose where they dive? Can you move the cave for them to Egypt ? Or are you one of those people that think people are only motivated by claiming a record and cant see beyond that to the fact that many people are motivated by something else and and subsequent record claims if any only serve to gain and/or satisfy sponsorship needs as has already been outlined.
Now you and Mdeomn may not believe that they did do the worlds deepest Rebreather cave dive in cold water
You may not agree that temp is a good differentiator - that's fine why not just say that, but waffling on about non existent 'best diver' claims and that 50m cold water dives are as safe as 205m cold water dives is unnecessary irrelevant and incorrect
FWIW I wish they hadnt mentioned anything about records it detracts from the tech side of things which is what we are interested in and gets some peoples backs up. Some do care about record claims and just cant see beyond them getting hooked up on believing that in all cases as soon as someone mentions depth reached or record claim then that automatically means thats all they are interested in. Thats often BS. Its just a way to describe a dive in simple quick terms, a sound bite if you like.