Quote: (Originally Posted by
MHD)
because their ability to manage your airway irrespective of what you think will always be questionable. On top of that they really have no idea why you went unconscious to start with. They can guess several things and get it wrong (and in all the cases I mentioned people guessing would of most likely got it wrong, case 1 you had a hope, but even knowing the person couldn't do anything about it) and all this time you will be in the worst possible location for treatment.
Honestly if you have FFM, OC gas and switch block to do it you may get some one through deco, you may make it work, but other than that you are kidding yourself. but saying keep me on the loop and in the water when you went unconscious on it is dumb.
Matt
I agree on the first point, but with a BOV fitted, there are no diagnostics to get wrong. My airway was managed by my self by the bailout mix and volume I made.
I'm unsure of what you mean in your 2nd paragraph? I assume you mean one is kidding himself without BOV/FFM/NS.
I say keep me in the water whilst I am clearly breathing out of my 2nd stage until your own deco is done.
Quote: (Originally Posted by
bendomatic)
if my brain function is compromised as evidenced by convulsions and or unconsciousness, i don't want my buddies to faff about trying to decide what to do. i want them to get me to the surface as safe as possible (that would end up being determined by them- after all i'm unconscious).
if you're happy with you're buddies to do whatever you tell them then that's yours and thier perogative. Your Rebreather doesn't make your brain any less vulnerable to damage.
you're assuming that whatever caused the unconsciousness is going to mitigated by the fact you have a strap on your head and your OC/BOV gas is going to help. it might, it might not - i can think of at least 4 scenarios that it won't make diddly squat difference. You're also assuming that your condition won't deteriorate and that your buddies will be able to tell easily when that happens (and hence change what they do with you!). can you tell my why OC rescue techniques can't be applied to the Rebreather diver? i'll take on being bent over dead any day.
rachel
Immediately switching a BOV is not faffing about. Accompanying me to the surface until your own deco is done, whilst I'm unconciously breathing is pretty safe and successful, no? Perhaps there is some confusion here.
I want to instruct my buddies on how to save my ass if I need them. Lord knows they are well covered if I'm rescueing them. I'm having this discussion to allow you to influence my opinion on how I should instruct this. Please try to limit your antagonism.
Mitigate does not imply 100% effectiveness. A BOV is an effective way to get a safe gas into my lungs, and a neckstrap(or FFM) is a fairly effective safeguard for ones airway. In reality, we only partially mitigate against all things that can harm or kill us.
One thing that can both harm and kill, is an overly simplistic approach. I'm all for K.I.S.S., but there is also KLUDGE that may cause much unnecessary harm.