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lizardland · 27th March 2007, 23:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

I've always understood that cavers have protocols to prevent just this kind of thing. Could those not be applied to Dorothea? I know it means that someone has to take some kind of action, but does it mean that they take responsibility for accidents? I'd think not - are the people who run gold lines in caves responsible for cave deaths?

I'm a caver, I carry out maintenance on the guidelines that I come across i.e. I remove them whenever I come across them. They serve absolutely no purpose other than making the dive easier for people who either can't navigate or can't be bothered.

I've never touched the lines in the tunnels. I'm in two minds about them. My own preference would be to have no line on the basis that if you are capable of diving them then you should be capable of laying a line. But reality is that people will just dive them without a line or just drag a reel behind them. On the other hand, the tunnels are swim throughs, there is no silt in them, there are no obstacles and they're about as long as my front hall so don't even need a line.

The shot lines are different. I'd happily see at least of them get removed but some of them are serving a good purpose. The rest are a waste of time but there are a lot of people who whinge they are there for safety i.e. you are never more than pissing distance from an ascent line when you're single cylinder of air goes into freeflow at 50m.

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lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,302	Re: Things to be aware of in Dorethea Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) I've always understood that cavers have protocols to prevent just this kind of thing. Could those not be applied to Dorothea? I know it means that someone has to take some kind of action, but does it mean that they take responsibility for accidents? I'd think not - are the people who run gold lines in caves responsible for cave deaths? I'm a caver, I carry out maintenance on the guidelines that I come across i.e. I remove them whenever I come across them. They serve absolutely no purpose other than making the dive easier for people who either can't navigate or can't be bothered. I've never touched the lines in the tunnels. I'm in two minds about them. My own preference would be to have no line on the basis that if you are capable of diving them then you should be capable of laying a line. But reality is that people will just dive them without a line or just drag a reel behind them. On the other hand, the tunnels are swim throughs, there is no silt in them, there are no obstacles and they're about as long as my front hall so don't even need a line. The shot lines are different. I'd happily see at least of them get removed but some of them are serving a good purpose. The rest are a waste of time but there are a lot of people who whinge they are there for safety i.e. you are never more than pissing distance from an ascent line when you're single cylinder of air goes into freeflow at 50m. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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